User talk:Sir James Paul/Archive1
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You could start here by improving Wikitainment:WikiGuide Sports. So far, the most complete Guide is Wikitainment:WikiGuide Television. It has 5 templates already developed. (NOTE: We only use parse functions for templates and standar infoboxes are used for everything)
There can be articles about games, players, teams, tournaments, merchandise, etc. Remember to use sources, avoid POV, and be as objetive as possible.
Also, unlike Wikipedia, in Wikitainment, your user page really is YOUR page, and there (in your user page) you're the soberane King. In this space the languaje and content is totally up to you. You can even do self promotion, curse, put pictures of yourself, etc. Just remember, that's how you want the world to see you and that privilege all ends when you're anywhere outside it. In other people's pages you must have good etiquete, avoid ofenses, attacks, etc.
For example, In my own user page I plan to make a gallery of my own art. I hope you really have a blast here.
Oh, and I almost forgot to ask you, could you bring some friends over (and encourage them to also bring their friends over)? I'd really appreciate it if you could.--WikiSysop 13:01, 21 December 2006 (CST)
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[edit] Good point
I firts thought making user pages a real personal space would be a good idea, and that included user talk pages, then for the reason you mentioned I relised maybe talk pages should maybe have some restrictions.
But I don't know, I think the best thing would be leaving it up to consensus.--WikiSysop 13:13, 21 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] bureaucrat
What's that? I thought being a wikisysop was as high as one could get in a wiki. --WikiSysop 13:21, 21 December 2006 (CST)
- I'm not sure that would work. This wiki is running in my server. I thought you had to have acces to the php files to be a WikiSysop.--WikiSysop 13:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Esperanza
Yes, create it. We're kinda strong, but we need more members, though. Any help getting more would be appreciated.--WikiSysop 13:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)
That soudns fine but what about this: you're the president and I'm the King of esperanza? hahahaha just kidding. I'll just be a member, I think you are more qualified to handle it and that you'll need to find another co-pilot with more experteece in the area.--WikiSysop 14:14, 21 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Adminship
Er... I'm ashamed to admit I don't know this but...How do I make you an admin? --WikiSysop 13:51, 21 December 2006 (CST)
About the Sysop thing. I guess so, but, that will have to wait a little. Be pacient.--WikiSysop 14:16, 21 December 2006 (CST)
- Yes, yes, be pacient only.--WikiSysop 14:22, 21 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Favour
Tell me more about this favour you need doing? 80.192.158.216 14:49, 21 December 2006 (CST)
- Sorry, I'm really awful at graphics stuff. A lot of the images are freely licensed, you can check if you can copy them or not, although you will need to add a whole new set of license complications :) 80.192.158.216 15:09, 21 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Barnstars
Could you name it differently? like medals or the things boyscouts sew in their uniform. Same thing with Esperanza, it could have its own name.
I have another name in mind, but I want to keep it a secret to avoid somebody registering it before I do. And yes, you just pointed the purose of this wiki, to be about contemporary culture. That's why Sports, Fashion, People and Technology were added to the scope. I'm also thinking about adding products, so that there can be articles about brands, beer, bars, franchises, restaurants, etc.--WikiSysop 15:18, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Maybe we should eventually leave it up to a voting concensus. (Keep in mind consensus is not voting, but rather a brainstorm to find out what approaches better our policies and guidelines.--WikiSysop 15:31, 21 December 2006 (CST)
We'll see about older cultures. Remember that we don't want to become Wikipedia II---WikiSysop 15:34, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Don't forget to bring some friend over!! --WikiSysop 15:34, 21 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Essays
Yes, go ahead. Only keep in mind our short time goal is more users, and articles. It woulld be great if you could write some sports-related articles. Whenever you watch a game remember you can make an article about it.
Could you bring over some friends?--WikiSysop 15:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)
God goal, that's why I need you to find out how to make you an admin. --WikiSysop 15:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Ha!, It turns out I'm already a bureucrat!! You're now a Sysop, which I guess is the same as an Admin. Congratulations!! You're now the second in command!!--WikiSysop 16:38, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Of course, of course, I didn't meant it literally. But you know, that makes you a go-to guy. By the way, is the sub article system we use clear enough for you? There can be an article for each game, player, character, episode, toy, etc; but all the subsidiary and "list of" articles are created within the main article with a /. For instance, instead of "List of The Simpsons episodes" we use "The Simpsons/Episodes", which makes navigation easier. We also put navigation bars that contain links to all the subsidiary articles in all articles. That creates a the feeling you get when you're in a good internet page, giving the user a clear mental map of the whole information of a topic.--WikiSysop 16:54, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Don't delete them, actually no image is in such violation, consult with me BEFORE you make such radical calls.
Instead you could create a Copyrigth template for the category of the images. All images led to categories wich explain it's procedure. --WikiSysop 17:10, 21 December 2006 (CST)
No, instead we should work on it. Firstly, that sort of matter is going to work backwards in Wikitainment, to avoid shooting and then asking. For example, when something is not sourced we don't erase it just because it's not sourced, but because it can't be sourced. Same goes with images, we don't erase them because the copyright is not written down, but because it can't be (only if that's the case). In this case the deal is this, with GNU we can use images as long as we indicate its procedure with ultimately indicate it's author. Same goes with registered trademarks and names, we're able to use a Batman image because of the same reason we're able to write the Batman word, because were not using the character and images to create stories and profit with them. We're talking about it and their creators, honor them and make them justice (and ultimately we're doing publicity for them). Any doubt?--WikiSysop 17:26, 21 December 2006 (CST)
However, although your actions were kinda mistaken, you do pointed out something important. }I did signed with GNU, however their logo doesn't appear anywhere in this page. Could you help me figure out why? That could get me in the same understanding trouble with newcommers :S--WikiSysop 17:34, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Frank, is that you?--WikiSysop 17:27, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Is that at User:Sir James Paul in Wikipedia?
[edit] Please, quit erasing stuff
The flags you erased were there for a reason. They were used for the TV ratings template. In the image page of every picture is a link to the article were it is being used.
We also discourage deletionism. Our policy is rather that there is a right place for every single place of verifieble information. How ever we avoid writhing things twice.
Are you sure you're ready to be a Sysop, Maybe you could use some training before, as more users come you would have to deal with tougher situations.--WikiSysop 18:05, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Fear enough, just don't be too drastic when using your privileges. Article deletion is a big deal.--WikiSysop 18:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Vandalism
If the vandalism is truly mindless, the vandal can be blocked for a week with an ultimatum to be banned indefinitely. In that case we don't do checkuser, if the person wants to make a fresh start he is welcomed.
Socks are alouded, but they should be outed. However we must always remember, not everybody is rich enough to own multiple equipments at home and more than one person might be using the same computer. "Sockpuppets" can be neighbors, co-workers, roomies, bothers, cousins, spouses, etc, and they are likely to sher values, favorite topics, and support each other.--WikiSysop 18:41, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Yes, only remember, if the vandalism, is POV or the vandal actually thinks he is improving the article, he is only screaming for advise and maybe, in the wort case, a warning. Also, 3RR aplies only after the editors make a fourth revert (that does no include the edit where they created the line ony the ones erasing or putting it back). The block is only for two hours. The administrators should ask other editors to choose between both versions (sometimes the blocked editor is right)
Users can erase warnings in their talk page when it has no template and doesn't come from an admin.--WikiSysop 19:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Also remember, guidelines are not articles. They should be clear and terminal. Instead of: "Vandalism is not recomended" we write "Do not Commit vandalism". Every rule has a nomenclature code. To make it easier for editors to quote them.--WikiSysop 19:23, 21 December 2006 (CST)
I hated how editors in Wikipedia use to talk about a policy article and never make specific quotes. Havin a nomenclature should make thing way clearer.--WikiSysop 19:25, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Hahahaha-Yes, it's all in my head, but I'm not making them up. I've been cooking them for a while now.--WikiSysop 19:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Another thing I've been planning for the future is to create small online lessons with tests, to learn about stuff like civility, politeness, formats, how-to-create: tables, templates, infoboxes, etc. Right now I don't have the technology, but I'm figuring it out.--WikiSysop 19:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Here is the problem: Have you seen my writting? It sucks!I think I already told you the basic idea, you can start them and I can review as you expand them.--WikiSysop 19:47, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Here is a start: WP:CODE.
We'll so far, aside from what has been said in this section, I can only think about one rule that shold be enphasized: No voting.
I think Jimbo and Wikipedia have failed to make that policy clear. Editors keep thinking about consensus as voting. Desitions shold be based primarely on the policies and guidelines, the guidelines and wikiprojects and then on what's been done once and againg several times. 20 people can be wrong and one right, Jimbo said so and I'm sticking to it. Concensus is a discussion to decide how to better aproach the guidelines and policies. Discuss don't vote. Period. --WikiSysop 20:16, 21 December 2006 (CST)
All said in this section, the subarticle thing and the User page thing are about it, if I remember something else I'll let you know.--WikiSysop 20:19, 21 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Protecting
What for? Most of them aren't even finished. Any contribution would be good. We have history pages, vandalism is meaningless with them. Actually to me vandalism is laughable, we block the user, revert, move on and that's about as much harm as he can do. --WikiSysop 21:03, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Ok, I like the idea, only sysops writting the policies and guidelines. However, I'd like the projects to work unprotected like in wikipedia. --WikiSysop 21:09, 21 December 2006 (CST)
Nope, I think there are going to be several cases like our unidentified friend who helped us with copyrights. He would have been very handy creating some projects, even if he did so anonymously. --WikiSysop 21:22, 21 December 2006 (CST)
I re-protected Etiquette and unprotected the guides. We need new commers to fill them. by the way, I'd like us to work on the Sports Guide as soon as possible. When would you be abble?
Have you familiarized with our subsidiary article (the article/subarticle thing) system? --WikiSysop 21:18, 21 December 2006 (CST)
"List of" articles aloud no control over the whole topic. The subarticle thing is definitive. As for the sockpuppets, once a user complains, we check IP andm if it's the same IP we ask what's going on, and decide what to do next. If they turn out to be sibblings we might be in trouble. That's quite a problem what to do with siblings? I don't think asking them never to edit the same articles would be fear. 50% of article editing coincidence and 60% of similar opinions would be logic. Bare in mind sibblings don't have to discuss here to achieve agreements, that complicates things for us a lot.
I'm sure that was the case for several siblings unfearly labeled as socks and banned from Wikipedia... I want to prevent that from happening here.--WikiSysop 22:29, 21 December 2006 (CST)
I think I'm going to sleep. I hope you can bring some friends over. --WikiSysop 22:46, 21 December 2006 (CST)
The WHOLE POINT of a wiki is that anyone can edit pages. You shouldn't just start protecting pages because vandalism MIGHT occur. That's ridiculous. On wikipedia, pages are only protected in extraordinary cases of existing and ongoing extreme vandalism. Not as a preventative measure. duh
The fellow here is kinda right. As, Jimbo Whales said, the fact that everybody uses knives is a restaurant doesn't mean we should put them in cages to prevent them from killing each other.
And, no, voting is not alouded in wikipedia, and neither in here. Consensus towards the best solutions is the way to go every single time. 20 people can be wrong. Ask the Nazis. --WikiSysop 10:06, 22 December 2006 (CST)
Please, go easy on the new commers. Most of them don't know about the politeness required to express ideas around here, that's no reason to block them. Everybody is entitle to express their opinins even if they come out a little harsh.
I'll handdle the guy who wrote the above comment. Ask me before any blocking or protecting you want to do. I need you to relax a little.--WikiSysop 10:29, 22 December 2006 (CST)
Maybe a better more friendly warning system, is necesary. My concern is this: if we start blocking with little pretext, who watches the watchers? You know what I mean? We don't want to look like gestapo here. This place is supposed to be about fun and the freedom you don't get to have in Wikipedia, not about living afraid of vandalism and punishing free expression. You act this way becouse that what they have you used to in Wikipedia, this place has to be better than that. If they beat you make him your friend, he'll start behavin by following your good example. Nobody respects dictators, but everybody likes friendly people.--WikiSysop 10:37, 22 December 2006 (CST)
For a meaningless fucking commet it is. Did the comment harm you phisically or something? I don't think so. One hour is not harsh for vandals, but for people expressing themselves, it's almost a crime. If this guy saw us as autocrats, instead of punishing them, we should benefit from asking him to speak his mind so that other people don't see us the same way again.--WikiSysop 10:43, 22 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Training
Well, that's what I've been doing with you. And you don't seem to be able to control your power. You have scared two out of two newcomers! I want you to take of the last comment you made in the page of the user I just unblocked and apologise.
You should ask to be polite or civil and be an example, not enforce politeness. --WikiSysop 11:22, 22 December 2006 (CST)
Ok, you're training to become a sysop. Don't protect, unprotect, block, unblock, delete, undelete anything or give "warnings" without consulting with me first. Don't make me regret making you a sysop, please, I like you and I know you're a great element, don't disappoint us.--WikiSysop 11:36, 22 December 2006 (CST)
Relax with the vandalism thing, it's not even a big deal. We can always revert and warn. I want you to watch this video, it will help you get the spirit http://fora.tv/fora/showthread.php?t=459&gclid=CJ_ZiuTapokCFRTWYAodU3alQA.--WikiSysop 12:32, 22 December 2006 (CST)
No, as I told you, one not-friendly warning, one 1 hour block, a one month block, permanent block.
Vandalism is not even dangerous, I think that'll be more than enough.
Now, with un-civil persons, as I told you we invite to behave correctly. Warnings are only for repeated behavior and never when the rudeness was towards you. You'd have to ask another Administrator to do that for you. Same goes for me and any other. Onl third persons do oficial warnings.--WikiSysop 12:44, 22 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] IP user page
I've reverted your edit to that IPs talk page, because WikiSysop moved that comment there. Maybe it's best to leave it now. RedDwarfer 11:22, 22 December 2006 (CST)
Yes, as I told him, he is free to do whatever the heck he wants with his user page.--WikiSysop 11:33, 22 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] Sysop
As you didn't add me to the administrators page, I guess you haven't noticed me :)
I'm the 80.something editor, now registered under this account. WikiSysop has given me sysop powers. RedDwarfer 12:20, 22 December 2006 (CST)
- Sorry, but I'd rather stay out of Esperanza until I've decided what I think about it. At the moment it just seems a bit pointless. RedDwarfer 12:47, 22 December 2006 (CST)
- I've started WT:TALK so we can stop clogging up each other's talk pages with general project discussion and keep all the responses all in one place. RedDwarfer 12:59, 22 December 2006 (CST)
Your answer is in WP:TALK
Wow, wow, wow, who said anything about anarchy?! You don't get it. I'm only talking about moderation. The guy you blocked was just speaking hiw mind and you gave him a warning! Of course he was going to say we're fucking autocrats! That was a failure and somewhat of an abuse of power and that's not how we plant to deal with things around here.
Part of the problem with paranoia is that it often make real our worst fears by first imagining they are real. Paranoia creates those problems by obessing about them before they exist.--WikiSysop 17:44, 22 December 2006 (CST)
Your answer is in WT:CIVIL, WT:VANDAL, WT:PROBLEM.
Sorta, the principles will stay. Only abusive sockpuppets can get indefinite banning. A month is the maximum block.--WikiSysop 19:39, 22 December 2006 (CST)
I'm kinda tired from editing the Comunity protal, can you continue there?--WikiSysop 20:52, 22 December 2006 (CST)
[edit] welcome back!!
well, my internet service was cut, so I decided to move temporarely with my folks. On Sunday I'll probbably shot down again for a couple hours to move the equipment back. Do you know how to contact RedDwarfer?--WikiSysop 23:37, 28 December 2006 (CST)
- Put you name on the membership list, not the main page. --Sir James Paul 00:17, 29 December 2006 (CST)
How can a bot say when it is vandalism and when it's not? I guess page blankers would be easy to spot, but how would it be able to spot cursing in articles?--WikiSysop 02:00, 30 December 2006 (CST)
could you send some people over? Most of the example articles still need some massive writting and editing work done. --WikiSysop 19:09, 4 January 2007 (CST)
Thanks I'll really apreciate any help with the articles.--WikiSysop 20:01, 5 January 2007 (CST)
Great, I'd love some of your aid. Specially improving the example articles about sports. Maybe you could design a list of games of your favorite sport. Myabe there could be one general list of games organized by year or "bowl" and a list for each team including year by year all the games they have played:
List of Super Bowls:
- [[XXXVII Super Bowl games]]
- [[Cowboys Vs. the Bears]]
- [[Dolphins Vs. the Packers]]
- etc...
- [[Final game]]
- [[XXXVI Super Bowl games]]
- [[XXXV Super Bowl games]]
- [[XXXIV Super Bowl games]]
- [[XXXIII Super Bowl games]]
- [[XXXII Super Bowl games]]
- etc.
...that of whatever you think would be more practical. I think there is probbably no need to create every single game article at all (unles you want to), but it'd be nice to have some structure ready as more users start to use this wiki. Next week we'll have a real server with a static IP conection, that'll make us very notable in Google and internet. We need to be rady for that.--WikiSysop 22:08, 5 January 2007 (CST)
[edit] Contact
Open an e-mail account, get a msn messeger account and then tell me your address. I'll contact you.--WikiSysop 14:20, 17 January 2007 (CST)
Tell me yours.--The Architect 21:07, 17 January 2007 (CST)
Is that amherst3793@yahoo.com?--The Architect 00:28, 23 January 2007 (CST)
[edit] What's going on with Wikireligion?
...Treebark 13:55, 18 February 2007 (CST)
[edit] New rules
There are several new policies easy to understand and follow. Most of them are linked here.
I also created a new policy to "Unwikipedify" the articles I'm using as examples.--The Architect 23:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
