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Contents 1 Drake & Josh 2 Bureaucrat 3 Wikia 4 Copyright 5 Wikisysop 6 User rights 7 Your Ideas 8 Protection 9 Blocking 10 Direction 11 bot 12 WT:TALK 13 Community portal 14 Great to be back 15 Bots 16 People 17 Back again 18 Contacting you 19 Promoting website 20 Thanks 21 Wikipedia Articles 22 Hey 23 Advertising

[edit] Drake & Josh

The message box at the top has episodes, cast and crew etc. but you'll notice it doesn't have characters. Why not? Treebark 10:33, 19 December 2006 (CST)

Never mind above comment. Treebark 10:49, 19 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Bureaucrat

• Thanks for the welcome. Don't you think we should have some restrictions for user pages? I'm not sure if allowing cursing is a good idea, there is going to be children here. I agree we should not be as strict as wikipedia though. I would like to tralk about policies and guidlines also. God bless.--Sir James Paul 13:05, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• Are you a bureaucrat here also? If not I think you should become one so we do not have to go to the people at meta to make sysop's. I think you should also be a checkuser for a similar reason. We should not have to wait long to see if a user is a sockpuppet or not. God bless.--Sir James Paul 13:17, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• bureaucrat's have the power to change peoples user names, make other people sysop's, and make people into bureaucrat's. If you want to be one ask for a bureaucrat at meta to make you one here. God bless.--Sir James Paul 13:23, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• I'm not sure that would work. This wiki is running in my server. I thought you had to have acces to the php files to be a WikiSysop.--WikiSysop 13:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• See if it will work. Do you want me to start to write some Wikitainment essay's? Like on resolving disputes, fighting vandalism, stuff like that. Also answer me on my talk page.--Sir James Paul 13:31, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Just dropping in :). As Wikitainment is not a Wikimedia Foundation project, no, requesting on Meta won't work. When you set up MediaWiki, it asks you to make a 'sysop' account. This actually has bureaucrat privileges, not just sysop. Try to get onto Special:Makesysop to see if you're a bureaucrat. 80.192.158.216 13:43, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I want to start a Wikitainment:Esperanza. I understand we are very small but I think it will keep a sense of community here. I'll start it if you say it is okay. God bless.--Sir James Paul 13:45, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• Ask someone at Meta how to. I personally do not know. Does that mean you are going to make me a sysop? God bless.--Sir James Paul 13:54, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• • Either Special:Makesysop or Special:Userrights to promote people. One of them will work. 80.192.158.216 13:56, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• How about I'll be president of Esperanza for now and you can be Vice President. God bless.--Sir James Paul 13:59, 21 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Wikia

As this is just a simple project where you don't need ultimate control over everything, wouldn't this project be better on something like Wikia where you could tap into the existing community? OK, so the Google ads on there aren't yours, but you get a lot of help and a massive community. Just something to consider. I think I'll stay as an IP for now by the way, I probably won't be editing that much anyway, just dropping in occasionally. 80.192.158.216 13:54, 21 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Copyright

I notice the Esperanza page is copied from Wikipedia (with Wikitainment pasted over Wikipedia). If a lot of your content comes from Wikipedia, you need to sort out your copyrights. If you intend to use ANY content copied from Wikipedia, you need to be licensed under the GFDL or compatible, provide attribution and a link to the original article. If you don't, the Wikimedian's aren't happy and start complaining. If you don't talk to them, they issue a takedown notice to your hosting provider or ISP. It's worth sorting out copyrights now while it's still small. 80.192.158.216 14:02, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• I'll fix it.--Sir James Paul 14:04, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Thanks. Yes, I do have one. The first bodies of information are taken from wikipedia, then they'll evolve to become completely different articles. I'm able to do that because Wikipedia's content is free and I have the same type of copyright.--WikiSysop 14:09, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• Are you going to make me a sysop?--Sir James Paul 14:10, 21 December 2006 (CST)
  • Yes, but what I'm saying is there's certain things you need to do. If you are licensed under the GFDL, you need to say so and link to it. At the bottom of everything that has an article from Wikipedia, you need to say where you got it and link back, and list the 5 best contributors to that particular article. See [1]. 80.192.158.216 14:14, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Well... That makes sense. Could you please make an example with Esperanza. I'd really appreciate ita and would make things a lot easy around here.--WikiSysop 14:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Enciclopedia Libre preserved attribution. That's the bit we need to do. They made sure they complied fully with the license. I've given you an example of how to use Template:Wikipedia on Seinfeld. The five best contributors isn't really that important, but it's a good idea to do it anyway. I think if you use that template and maybe put a little note in the bar at the bottom ("Privacy policy, About Wikitainment, Disclaimers" - that one?) linking to the GFDL, I can't see how anyone could ever complain. 80.192.158.216 14:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Wikipedia do credit the authors by having their names in the history. We don't. The contributors still own the copyright, so they may want attribution for their work in anything that comes from it. I think a lot of mirrors do miss off the five best authors, but I always think it's best to include it. If you decide to miss it off, that's up to you, but it is in the license. 80.192.158.216 15:01, 21 December 2006 (CST)

To my knowledge, even if you completely rewrite the article, if it was based on Wikipedia content originally, you have to keep that same template on it. 80.192.158.216 15:06, 21 December 2006 (CST)

"Local authority on licensing"? I like the sound of that, but I probably won't be around very much, just occasionally. I'll gladly help wherever I can with licensing or anything else. My point about the 'evolved' template is that I can't see how it would make much difference. So long as you keep everything there (omitting the authors if you decided to do so), I can't see a problem with an 'evolved' template, I just can't see the point. 80.192.158.216 15:12, 21 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Wikisysop

• All I wanted to know is if you were going to make me a sysop.--Sir James Paul 14:18, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• I am being pacient. Sorry if it seems like i'm not.--Sir James Paul 14:24, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Maybe we should make this a project that has articles that have to do with our culture today instead of just pop culture. I think that we could grow bigger if we did that and would have more of a chance of becoming a wikimedia project. Also Wikitainment is way to long of a name, why not name it wikiculture if it becomes a wikimedia project. Consider what I said. Have a nice week and god bless.--Sir James Paul 15:05, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• I really like the name Esperanza, can we please keep it. I think we should have a page of awards and barnstars can be a type of award. How does that sound? God bless.--Sir James Paul 15:21, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• Why don't we also have articles on older cultures? This will allow us to grow bigger than if we only talked about modern cultures. Have a nice week.--Sir James Paul 15:32, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• Do you think that you could make some barnstars? I understand that we do not want to become wikipedia ll. Have a Merry christmas!--Sir James Paul 15:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• If we do older cultures we should probably do articles that have a direct influence on us today. This will keep us from becoming wikipedia ll. Also do you want me to write some wikitainment essay's? --Sir James Paul 15:43, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• I'll try to bring some friends over. My main goal here is to help set up and organize the place.--Sir James Paul 15:50, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Got to this[2] page to make me a sysop. It should work.--Sir James Paul 15:57, 21 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] User rights

You can promote people using Special:Userrights. 80.192.158.216 16:07, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Are you still having trouble?--Sir James Paul 16:11, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• Everyone is equal here. Sysop's are not better than regular editors.--Sir James Paul 16:39, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Almost all of the images here are possible copyright violations. I'm sorry but I am going to have to delete them. Get all you images from wikimedia commons and put a link to the image on commons. We need to make sure that all images are not copyright violations so we do not get in trouble. Not trying to be a pain.--Sir James Paul 16:58, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• Okay. Provide proof that it is okay for us to use them. You can undelete them when you find proof.--Sir James Paul 17:10, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• get proof for images. I'll start going around deleting images that we do not have proof to use on march 1 2007. You have plenty of time. God bless.--Sir James Paul 17:18, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• Since you were the one who put the images here I think that they are okay to use. --Sir James Paul 17:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I'm not the best person to ask. You really do have to figure out how to put the license on so the same thing does not happen again.--Sir James Paul 17:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• If there is ever a problem over here and I am not here you can get me at wikipedia.--Sir James Paul 17:42, 21 December 2006 (CST)

This[3] is my talk page at wikipedia.--Sir James Paul 17:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• I'm 100% sure I'm ready.--Sir James Paul 18:17, 21 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Your Ideas

I would like to know if you have any plans on how to keep vandalism from becoming a problem here?--Sir James Paul 18:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Great, I love how tough you plan to be with vandalze. What I think is for a warning we should give them a small (30 min-1 hour) block. This will show them we mean it. If we are tough on vandalism then vandalism will not become a problem. God bless.--Sir James Paul 19:09, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• Do you have your policies and guidlines written down or are they all in your head?--Sir James Paul 19:25, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• It would probably be good for you to write them down so other people can know them. Also I think that you should get other members envolved in the process.--Sir James Paul 19:33, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• Give me your idea's and I will build off of them.--Sir James Paul 20:00, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Tell me the different policies and guidlines you want and what you want in them and I will go from there.--Sir James Paul 20:15, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• I have semi-protected all wikiguides and fully protected policies and guidlines. These steps will help use out in keeping vandalism from becoming a problem.--Sir James Paul 20:45, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• When it comes to policies we can have people make suggestions on the talk page and if we reach consensous on it we can add it in. It will also keep edit wars from happening when it comes to policies.--Sir James Paul 21:06, 21 December 2006 (CST)

The projects do not have a full protection on them. They are semi-protected so all people with accounts can edit them. --Sir James Paul 21:14, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• Is semi-protection fine with you? It is not like IP's will be joining them even if it was open to them--Sir James Paul 21:16, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• I'll start to do some articles next week. How about if the project pages are vandalized we can protect them?--Sir James Paul

21:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I think that our readers will not really like the article/sub article thing. I don't think we should do that. --Sir James Paul 21:44, 21 December 2006 (CST)

• When it comes to sockpuppets I think we should check there IP and check there edits. If both are the same then block them, if the IP is the same but they have different kinds of edits then don't block them. We also should not allow for two accounts from the same IP to vote. Also why don't we both bureaucrat status here. I am also willing to be our first checkuser. God bless.--Sir James Paul 21:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)

this is quite the CABAL your constructing here

What I meant was to allow only one to vote.--Sir James Paul 06:00, 22 December 2006 (CST)

• I do not think that we should tolerate uncivility here. It was fine for that person to crtisize us but saying out actions are fucking rideculas, saying that a move was stupid is going way to far and is incivility. When he comes back he will be more careful about it.--Sir James Paul 10:10, 22 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Protection

Other than to vandalize why would a IP even edit a wikiguide? --Sir James Paul 10:16, 22 December 2006 (CST)

• What do you mean his 1 hour block was not justfied? It was. I think that he will be civil now because of it and he would not have if the block did not happen. I do not think that a block that would of been longer would be good though. On wiktionary they block you for an hour instead of a warning and that helped me become careful there, that is why I think we should have the same system here. If we do not block people who are uncivil then it will become a problem here a lot faster.--Sir James Paul 10:28, 22 December 2006 (CST)

It happened to me when i was new to wiktionary and it really helped me later on. It may seem a little harsh but it really is not. They may not be happy about it at first but they will realise it is a blessing later on. Thats why I want to have the system.--Sir James Paul 10:33, 22 December 2006 (CST)

• Also how is 1 hour harsh? --Sir James Paul 10:34, 22 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Blocking

Hi, Sir James Paul blocked the IPs of that 'autocrats' guy, they're still blocked if you wanted to unblock them. If everyone's blocked there won't be much of a wiki. 80.192.158.216 10:49, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Go to Special:Ipblocklist and hit 'unblock' on the ones you want unblocking. I'm registered under this name now. RedDwarfer 11:02, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Tahnks!!--WikiSysop 11:07, 22 December 2006 (CST)

• When we pick sysops in the future lets have a Rfa to decide. Also I think we should have a mentoring period of a month like they have at wikiversity. People who are sysops already will watch over the sysop elect for a period of a month, if the sysop thinks the person is ready then the person becomes a sysop, if he is not ready then he does not. This will help to keep sysop's from abusing there powers. God bless.--Sir James Paul 11:13, 22 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Direction

If you're talking about the actual content, I'd say that you're not going to do very well purely with a big load of articles. I think you need to develop core wiki pages (like the community portal), then work out a way of summarising the information of several articles into one, such as having a 'guide to horror films' in addition to having horror film articles. When an article is about more than just one specific thing, it can be a bit more useful and entertaining to people. I'd also get categories sorted out as well. RedDwarfer 11:19, 22 December 2006 (CST)

I'll be a sysop if you'd like, I guess I could help you out with the more technical bits, but unfortunately I don't have a massive amount of time (I'm currently setting up a massive wiki-based project of my own). I'll try to drop in now and then though. RedDwarfer 11:34, 22 December 2006 (CST)

You can make bots by Special:Userrights, there's a 'bot' option. RedDwarfer 11:46, 22 December 2006 (CST)

There's several bot frameworks you can use, the most common is 'pywikipediabot', which includes some scripts which you can just run out-of-the-box to do common jobs. Welcoming new IPs would be a little difficult, I think you'd need to program that one from scratch. Take a look at this page on Wikipedia. RedDwarfer 11:54, 22 December 2006 (CST)

A bot would also use up a lot of your bandwidth constantly checking things. Perhaps we could integrate it into the MediaWiki software? I'm not quite sure how to do that, but I'll take a look. RedDwarfer 12:03, 22 December 2006 (CST)

I created some lists that I plan to develope (you can join, of course). I'll also be following your advise this week by categorizing and developing a portal (I have 0 experience in that). You're more than welcomed to create, expand or edit any of those.--WikiSysop 12:08, 22 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] bot

Why don't we make a anti-vandalism bot that will find vandalism, revert it, then warn the vandal? Us 3 sysops can be the ""Owners"" of it. God bless. Also as president of Esperanza it is my job to help set up projects. If you have ideas please tell me. Thanks.--Sir James Paul 12:29, 22 December 2006 (CST)

• I think we should be a little bit more tough than wikipedia on vandalism. Maybe a friendly warning and if they do it again a hour block.--Sir James Paul 12:38, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Also don't focus on quantity but quality. For now focus on making articles better, not making articles. --Sir James Paul 12:40, 22 December 2006 (CST)

• We really need some bots to help over here. I have a feeling that there is a lot of nonsense articles yet to be found. If it is possible we should have a bot that looks for nonsense articles and deletes them.--Sir James Paul 12:47, 22 December 2006 (CST)
  • My opinion is that we don't. Never use bots if they're not for really really tedious jobs that need doing lots of times. Bots eat up loads of bandwidth. RedDwarfer 12:53, 22 December 2006 (CST)

We should consider it for the future.--Sir James Paul 12:54, 22 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] WT:TALK

I've started WT:TALK so we can stop clogging up each other's talk pages with general project discussion and keep all the responses all in one place. RedDwarfer 12:58, 22 December 2006 (CST)

The system you want to have hear will work fine at first but once we get bigger we will have to change. --Sir James Paul 14:18, 22 December 2006 (CST)

It is a little hard being a sysop here because there is no clear policies to enforce and guidlines to follow. We need to organize this before you make more people sysops. It would be rude to bring people into this.--Sir James Paul 14:29, 22 December 2006 (CST)

• I think you should write the policies and guidlines. I will improve them for you. Also a anarchy is not going to work here. We will not do good if we are a anachy. Also many people at wikiversity think me idea of blocking people for 1 hour is a good first warning. --Sir James Paul 16:56, 22 December 2006 (CST)
• WHERE AT WIKIVERSITY DID WE SAY THAT?
• Someone said it on IRC--Sir James Paul 17:28, 22 December 2006 (CST)

I said something on Wikitainment:Project discussion.--Sir James Paul 17:06, 22 December 2006 (CST)

I said something on Wikitainment:Project discussion. You should check 10 min after you leave a comment.--Sir James Paul 17:25, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Lets also talk about out user pages policy.--Sir James Paul 17:42, 22 December 2006 (CST)

• It was fine for him to call us autocrats, that is fine with me. That was not the incivil part. Swearing at us was. Also when planing a project you have to think about the future. We must have policies that will keep things from becoming big problems in the future. On user pages I think that the only kind of profanity we should allow is mild.--Sir James Paul 17:49, 22 December 2006 (CST)
• Lets try to find a compromise.--Sir James Paul 18:05, 22 December 2006 (CST)
• That policy is fine.--Sir James Paul 18:23, 22 December 2006 (CST)

How about the policies and guidlines we make are temporary. We can start talking about changes when we have enough members.--Sir James Paul 19:33, 22 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Community portal

I'll do some editing there.--Sir James Paul 21:05, 22 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Great to be back

It is great to be back here. By the way why was the server down? --Sir James Paul 23:26, 28 December 2006 (CST)

• No I do not. Just to let you know I have started a group called AMR. This[4] is its main page. Are you interested in joining? Contact me there. God bless. --Sir James Paul 00:03, 29 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] Bots

Once I learn how to do you want me to make a anti-vandalism bot? I'll be happy to once I learn. --Sir James Paul 01:56, 30 December 2006 (CST)

• Actualy it can do more than reverting vandalism like blanking pages. go to #wikipedia-simple so we can talk in real time. --Sir James Paul 02:10, 30 December 2006 (CST)

[edit] People

I know nobody in real life who will but I will try to promote this on different IRC's and chat rooms. --La gloria è a dio 18:52, 5 January 2007 (CST)

• I'm getting a little tired of wikipedia and will be hear a little more. --La gloria è a dio 21:05, 5 January 2007 (CST)

[edit] Back again

Well, my server's just having one problem after another, and don't be expected if it stops responding on this wiki again. I'd be happy to get sysop tools when you think I'm ready. Treebark 09:45, 15 January 2007 (CST)

[edit] Contacting you

Do you have yahoo IM or a IRC client? If so my name on IRC is Sir_James_Paul_ and on yahoo IM amherst3793. Have a nice week and god bless. --La gloria è a dio 14:16, 17 January 2007 (CST)

• I can contact people on MSN with yahoo IM. Whats your name, I'll add you to me friends list. Peace. --La gloria è a dio 16:55, 17 January 2007 (CST)
• Whats your name on MSN IM? --La gloria è a dio 21:05, 17 January 2007 (CST)
• My name is amherst3793 at yahoo IM.--La gloria è a dio 06:46, 19 January 2007 (CST)

WIll you IM if vandalism gets bad here please? --La gloria è a dio 19:47, 22 January 2007 (CST)

Yes. I can still contact people at MSN though. --La gloria è a dio 08:53, 23 January 2007 (CST)

[edit] Promoting website

I've got promoting started on IRC, btw. Hope to bring tons of new users over here! Treebark 22:35, 24 January 2007 (CST)

More promoting done on #wikipedia, and the wikipedia geeks channel. Treebark 22:11, 30 January 2007 (CST)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for letting me know about the new adress.--La gloria è a dio 22:30, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Wikipedia Articles

Just to let you know, for you to use wikipedia articles for any amount of time you need to be under GDFL. If not, then the article is a copyright violation. --La gloria è a dio 04:51, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Hey

You never told me you were getting a new address. I wanted to contribute, but you never told me. Now I know. Treebark 22:41, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Advertising

Oh, I'll help advertise for you. I'll start by adding your name to the list of active wikis. Um, thanks about the second chance part. I'm back to editing meta a little bit, not much...The speed's kind of slow. It's about well...2 minutes or so...Wikipedia is 8 seconds. Treebark 22:39, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

The site speed seems to be slow/fast depending on the hour and day. I'll do more work with actual articles and Drake & Josh later. Treebark 09:38, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

Hey. The site is still extra slow...I've been very busy and haven't gotten a chance to do much here, but thanks for keeping this project alive :D Is there an IRC Channel for this? Anyways, hopefully I'll do some more editing (I've linked to this project from some other sites for advertising) Treebark 21:33, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

Perhaps advertise it at #wikipedia. I can go there, but I really shouldn't because of my history there...The most important thing = post it at meta.wikimedia.org. That should get at least some' people here. I'm gonna start editing, I'm keeping my promise this time. :) Treebark 22:34, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Yes...I still work at #wikia, and have access in many of the wikia channels....:D :D....I know a few people who may like to help advertise (I don't know about editing)...Do you still edit Wikipedia?...Treebark 22:40, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Nice admin policies, already a few IP's editing. Could I suggest something? Maybe we should switch hosts...this could bring more users too. Doing my best to advertise...I just don't know where...Talk to you soon...Treebark 22:13, 1 October 2007 (CDT)

I'm in the middle of trying to get a new host, it should be a few days or so...I'm on wikibreak until Friday... Treebark 10:39, 7 October 2007 (CDT)